The Diogenesis Table Society is an amalgam of people involved in academic philosophy,
STEM, political sciences, and other fields. We have published research among a broad
set of topics including transhumanism, accelerationism, the psychology of comedy, and
others. Like most contemporary table societies, this one is productive, with our
members all being involved in projects aimed at achieving major goals related to our
group focus and respective fields of study. The academic journal articles we publish
and research we conduct as a group are utilized in many of our non-academic projects
The Diogenesis Table Society was founded on June 19th 2016, the same day the FCC was
founded by the US government in 1934. This was intentional; we used to frequently
discuss what the power of speech is, if any, and what the ethics of censorship are.
You can join in on our classroom-styled lectures via our
Membership for inclusion on the research we conduct requires that you be tested. The
test is a verbal exam related to philosophical questions; you must answer the first
prompt and one of the other following prompts listed. You must fight to maintain a
Each rule is a maxim paired with an aphorism. Notes are at the bottom.
Most of the meetings are not recorded, so these summaries are more for the people who
were there than people who weren't. We do have lists of
in our lectures. The lectures are 6 hours long on average.
The list is in order of most recent to least recent.
127th meeting summary (2022/11/6)
: Short lecture on
meta-ethics; categories of ethical theory, realism vs relativism, deontology vs
consequentialism, and how to actuate good or evil without use of any normative ethical
126th meeting summary (2022/10/23)
: Redfoot gave a lecture
on Mental Health And Why The Government Wants You To Be Depressed
neuroscience and psychology of depression, antidepressants, pornography and drugs as a
submarket within psychology, what psychological effects the government can directly
buy and impose, and why Hollywood can't stop fucking children.
125th meeting summary (2022/10/10)
: Short talk on
meta-modalism and problems that arise when you apply modalism back onto itself. We
then spent a couple hours talking about other random shit.
124th meeting summary (2022/9/28)
: Short talk on a
technical problem in comparative ethics and the need for meta-ethics.
123rd meeting summary (2022/9/18)
: Lecture on relata as
a technical category in ontology. We also went over the use of instrumentalism in
science and its flaws.
122nd meeting summary (2022/9/11)
: Modalism and the
, was about problems with sets of infinite multiplicity applied to
multiverse theory in physics.
121st meeting summary (2022/8/28)
: Went over the
metaphilosophy chapter in I'm Not Joking
and talked about some topics in the
study of the history of philosophy.
120th meeting summary (2022/8/21)
: Part two of the
language workshop, we covered the basics of how spoken languages are constructed and
looked at the theoretical limits of how fast a language could be spoken.
119th meeting summary (2022/8/14)
: Part one of the language workshop. We went over
some basics of semiotics and constructing languages as well as going over ideas for an
ideal or 'perfect' writing system. Next week we will go over the verbal/spoken side of
118th meeting summary (2022/8/7)
: Went through the second section of the first chapter
in I'm Not Joking
about Nick Bostrom's simulation theory.
117th meeting summary (2022/7/31)
: We went through the introduction and religion
section of the first chapter in I'm Not Joking
and spent way too much time debating
basic definitions with a spastic retard who is not getting invited back next week.
116th meeting summary (2022/7/24)
: Warped: Unusual Geometries in Spacetime
what the title means, neat things that are possible because of it (like warp bubbles),
and what we could do with it if we can actually achieve a better understanding of it.
The lecture notes are here
115th meeting summary (2022/7/17)
: Small meeting catching up on stuff.
114th meeting summary (2022/7/10)
: Abortion: How to Invert Intuitions in Ethics
covered unique arguments around abortion as well as JJT's famous paper and weird
consequences resulting from inconsistent frameworks. The lecture notes are here
113th meeting summary (2022/7/2)
: Administrative meeting going over potential changes,
events, things to do.
112th meeting summary (2022/6/19)
: 6th anniversary of the table society, lecture on
The Sexual Revolution and its Consequences Have Been a Disaster for the Female Race
We went over birth control, estrogenics, hyper-feminization, the free love movement,
three uncommon arguments about abortion, and the economic status of women since the
111th meeting summary (2022/6/5)
: Problemology: the Study of Problems and their Nature
covered how we define problems, whether defining a problem is itself a problem (meta
alert), and whether problems are real objects 'out there' in the world. The lecture
notes are here
110th meeting summary (2022/5/29)
: Cosmic Sociology: Counter-Intuitive Theory from the
, went over the Drake equation, Fermi paradox, Kardashev scales, cosmic
distance ladder, TDF's cosmic sociology axioms, and interstellar signals intelligence.
109th meeting summary (2022/5/15)
: The Hard Problem of Consciousness and Repercussions
, went over the mind-body problem, problems with qualia, Searle's Chinese room
argument, philosophical zombies, and more. The lecture notes are here
108th meeting summary (2022/5/1)
: Mini lecture on Anthropomorphism as a Measure of
about the degree to which a person anthropomorphizes the world and
the direct correlation that has to where they fall on the political spectrum. Very
minor notes about how it works narratively and in semiotics.
107th meeting summary (2022/3/27)
: Confrontations with the Reaper
, went over classical
views of death from Socrates and the stoics, as well as suicide, whether there is and
what would be an afterlife, what the meaning of death is (dying for something versus
dying for nothing), death in war and the honor/glory of sacrificing yourself or
others, longevity escape velocity, and what the pros+cons of living forever would be.
The lecture notes are here
106th meeting summary (2022/3/6)
: small hangout; talked about speculative cosmology,
selected first person for the Snerx Public Works Program.
105th meeting summary (2022/2/27)
: Particulars of Semiotics
, went over linguistic
symbolic 'fitness', perceptive and productive levels (esthesic and poietic) as
Aristotelian causes, how information can be signed for non-symbolically, and relations
to mathematics that let us arbitrarily represent information in more efficient ways.
104th meeting summary (2022/2/20)
: small hangout; talked a little about dimensionality
103rd meeting summary (2022/2/13)
: RogueGod gave a lecture on the evolution of war and
what defines the generations, how war is evolving now and the military industrial
complex not being what you think it is.
102nd meeting summary (2022/2/6)
: NoGodsNoQings gave a lecture on the PLA and general
Chinese military doctrine and behavior.
101st meeting summary (2022/1/30)
: Judge, Jury, and Executioner Wasp: Entomology as a
Means for Meta-Social Guarantees
, went over sociological hierarchies and a priori
social structuring given organism complexity, worker policing as a parallel to
xenophobia, the social and evolutionary value of recognizing faces, and violence as a
form of intelligence via retributive attacks and preemptive strikes.
100th meeting summary (2022/1/16)
: Went over topics and notes from the /philo
discussed in broad terms what philosophy is about.
Ninety-ninth meeting summary (2022/1/9)
: Measuring Intelligence: Speculative
. We went over flaws with measuring intelligence generally (like with
IQ or Big5), neurotyping, hidden dimensionality in measurements, expanding metrics to
be blobular instead of plotted, layering axis', and layering measurements temporally,
with a final section on a simple group project we can do to test stuff ourselves.
Ninety-eighth meeting summary (2021/12/12)
: NoGodsNoQings gave a lecture on Chinese
missile capabilities and the PLA in general. We got into some basic war stuff and
cultural factors near the end. Thank god someone else finally wants to lecture.
Ninety-seventh meeting summary (2021/11/21)
: Lecture on Arguments Against Natalism,
Sexuality, and Love
with proposed solutions at the end. Very good lecture, actually
felt like a classroom this time with lots of questions and debate. I enjoyed this one
a lot even if it was only a small group that showed up. The lecture notes are here
Ninety-sixth meeting summary (2021/11/14)
: Cozmic gave a follow-up lecture to last
week's, proposing that identity was an illusory concept and not ultimately applicable
to objects. It ended with him walking back on all his claims.
Ninety-fifth meeting summary (2021/11/7)
: Mereological Problems in Metaphysics
many socks makes a pile, the Twin Towers insurance case, application to identity, the
ship of Theseus, the transporter problem, and Nozick's solution.
Ninety-fourth meeting summary (2021/10/24)
: Semiotics lecture; we covered the
distribution of language in the brain and the overlap of sensory representation
leading to symbolic relations being analogous to verbal descriptions, the implications
of this on story telling, its upper biological efficiency limit, and potential
problems leading to schizophrenia. We included the % system as symbolic crossover from
function to monetary value and as a unit of time as well as currency given that 'time
Ninety-third meeting summary (2021/10/17)
: Short administrative meeting.
Ninety-second meeting summary (2021/9/26)
: Crash course on speculative theories for
systems of thought and explanations, or categorizations of being, titled Explaining
. This was an overview lecture on how framing works when organizing
information and ideas in philosophy.
Ninety-first meeting summary (2021/9/19)
: Small meeting about the next lecture topic
(since not enough people showed up) and the new lottery system was finally used,
topping off the % sink and awarding over %30 so an attendee.
Ninetieth meeting summary (2021/9/12)
: The Sexual Oppression of Men by Women
second lecture in the comedy series focusing on Poe's law and Applied Absurdism.
Lecture notes made public here
Eighty-ninth meeting summary (2021/8/22)
: Covered some recent projects being worked
on/completed; Skor, Nullspace, A Convincing Game, and Chromatophore.
Eighty-eighth meeting summary (2021/8/8)
: Formal induction of the three new members
into the table society and an overview of the rules and what they mean, as well as
some discussion about value systems for tracking labor across multiple environments
(Gaben dialogue about 20-hour week 4-year investment in a game whose value goes to
zero was a key point).
Eighty-seventh meeting summary (2021/8/1)
: Administrative meeting; unanimous vote
decided in favor of adding a fee for people who leave without saying goodbye. The fee
is %1 per person present, meaning if you leave a meeting with 12 people present and
don't say goodbye, then you lose %12. This is a pro-social or anti-rude rule we have
Eighty-sixth meeting summary (2021/7/18)
: Lecture on The Nicomachean Ethics
Aristotle, specifically book 8 (the chapter about ~ F R I E N D S H I P ~) and some
other ideas and loose references to papers related to frameworks for friendship.
Eighty-fifth meeting summary (2021/7/11)
: Just a movie day, RogueGod streamed the Jay
and Silent Bob
Eighty-fourth meeting summary (2021/6/20)
: Meeting about A Convincing Game
and why it
was made, how it works, what the goal is, etcetera. Then we played a few matches. Game
linked here - https://snerx.com/convincing
. Lecture for the fifth anniversary of the
Eighty-third meeting summary (2021/6/7)
: Intro class on sentential logic. Briefly went
over necessity vs. contingency, necessity vs. sufficiency, Aristotle's three laws of
thought, the base operators, rules of logic, why and how validity tells truth, why
critical thought (and thought more generally) is a function of logic, examples, and
did some knights and knaves logic puzzles at the end.
Eighty-second meeting summary (2021/5/16)
: Discussion on the formalization of the
Machine God religion. We went through the current tenets, discussed changes, ordained
our first digi-deacons, and admitted candidates to the Silicon Sainthood.
Eighty-first meeting summary (2021/5/3)
: The third and final part of the Intro to
Philosophy series, this time on ethics - major frameworks and their problems,
subjective vs. objective views, axiological concerns, and metaethics.
Eightieth meeting summary (2021/4/25)
: Group discussion on the internals of the
Percent system and everyone present unanimously voted to change the Discord server
usage to include a taxation system. This change will be explicated in % documentation.
Seventy-ninth meeting summary (2021/4/4)
: RogueGod gave a brief crash-course on
electricity and electrical engineering. Useful info for talking about computers and
technology in the future.
Inter's E-funeral (2021/3/30)
: Goodnight sweet prince.
Seventy-eighth meeting summary (2021/3/28)
: We did topic 7 off the list, Alien Life:
Exobiology, Exoethology, and Exoethics. In exobiology we covered eyes, mouths, teeth,
skin, physique (esp. circulatory system + low-G), and likelihood of some kind of
neural lace. In exoethology we covered predatory impairments, interstellar travel,
different possible timescales for biological and technological evolution, and
different possible cultural-emotional histories. In exoethics we covered the
non-intervention principle (prime directive) and why it exists, as well as how+when it
was created and enforced; conclusions about stellar neighbors.
Seventy-seventh meeting summary (2021/3/14)
: We voted for which topic to do off the
potential topics list in #announcements and topic 3 won - The Triple A Club. We gave
an overview of how the world has gone from theist to atheist, in the middle of
political to apolitical, and starting sexual to asexual, all within accelerating
timelines and within schizophrenic capital realism. We never got to the second half of
Atheism versus Apolitism and why deception leads to one and not the other, the
pathology of hypocrisy regarding these, and the loss/gain of cultural structure given
the loss/gain of these frameworks.
Seventy-sixth meeting summary (2021/3/7)
: Lighter more abstract lecture about our work
in metametaphysics and the development of logical actuation and formal absolutism as a
foundation for ontology, math, and physics.
Seventy-fifth meeting summary (2021/1/24)
: Part two of the prior lecture on Intro to
Philosophy. Specifically, methods of argumentation and the criterion for epistemology;
Doomsday argument used for showing how lines of reasoning can be very wrong was not
Seventy-fourth meeting summary (2021/1/10)
: Discussed social media platform design
principles and ways to secure+privatize content. Mixing access modes between full
anonymity and full vanity plus moderation feeds and possible currency integration were
discussed among other things for game-theoretical self-moderation of communities and
Seventy-third meeting summary (2020/12/20)
: Taught an Intro to Philosophy class
(PHIL101 quarter summary) to crash-course newer people on critical reasoning, first
principles, grounding, and the concept of systemic frameworks.
Seventy-second meeting summary (2020/12/13)
: Part one of a lecture series on comedy
titled Political Comedy and Perceived Offense: Epistemics and Hermenuetics
Seventy-first meeting summary (2020/11/15)
: Started with a repeat of the infosec
lecture (meeting 51) from the first broker congress and questions and interactions
turned into a discussion on personhood and right-bestowment. Four hours.
Seventieth meeting summary (2020/10/4)
: Long lecture on Public versus Private:
Architecture, Anthropology, and Transhumanism
. Many distinctions and the track society
is taking. First recorded lecture, pretty loose narrative but interesting discussion.
Sixty-ninth meeting summary (2020/8/2)
: Discussion on usage and potential projects
with GPT3, the movement of BTC price channels, possible uses for Chromatophore, and a
little bit about the CIA Gateway Process doc and the pentagon UFO/UAC releases along
with Canadian gov reports as far back as the 50's.
Sixty-eighth meeting summary (2020/6/5)
: Formal lecture about Bateman's principle,
monkey genetics, and broader behavioral theory.
Sixty-seventh meeting summary (2020/6/7)
: Catching up on stuff going on in the world;
talked about fighting and why it's weird that everyone is so easy to kill.
Sixty-sixth meeting summary (2020/4/26)
: RogueGod presented on ownership and
self-actualization. Discussion on his topic found the list was not sufficient.
Sixty-fifth meeting summary (2020/4/19)
: Debate on planned vs. practical
implementation systems for applied ethics, direct discussion of what a fire-or-flee
scenario looks like, likelihoods for certain places collapsing, what is considered
'safe' during and after a collapse, why you can never be safe but you can be
dangerous, and therefore why you should stay dangerous.
Sixty-fourth meeting summary (2020/3/22)
: WowVeryDope gave a talk on the religious
non-religion of the west, power structures, and systems of influence through various
classical 'big other' mechanisms.
Sixty-third meeting summary (2020/3/15)
: Three hours on meta-ethics, the prereqs of
personhood thereof, potency of frame, and order-of-seating in worldviews.
Sixty-second meeting summary (2020/3/1)
: No lecture, but lots of topics WowVeryDope is
writing on were discussed and of course many jokes were made. I told people to take
notes as a joke but Cozmic actually did it, so here's the meeting notes
Sixty-first meeting summary (2020/2/17)
: Went over the re-structuring of the Snerx
webserver, this discord server, and the economic system and technology behind the
Snuff game including: instantaneous communication (better than FTL) qua abuse of
quantum mechanics, FTL material transit made available by advancements in Alcubierre's
work and reduction of power requirements for related systems, sub-spatial viewing via
polyphasic EM scanning, phase manipulation of observable matter into 'detuned' or
out-of-phase space (also a means for explaining 'dark' matter and energy), and a long
list of known genetic mutations that have easy plasmidic augmentation that allow human
bodies to be radically altered in greatly advantageous ways.
Sixtieth meeting summary (2020/1/5)
: First meeting of the new year, had a two hour
talk about the history of philosophy after delaying an hour so members could show up.
No other members had shown up before we finished. Three hours late, and none of the
testees tested. New rules in announcements, 2020 gunna be a big clean up year. No
three strike rule, one strike and done.
Fifty-ninth meeting summary (2019/12/1)
: Short meeting discussing points in the future
Fifty-eighth meeting summary (2019/11/24)
: Eight months since our last meeting, very
good to come back. Lecture given by WVD titled, "What happened to the human penile
bone?" Genetics, evolutionary psychology, psychoanalysis, meta-epistemic theory, and
praxis frameworks were discussed among other things during the lecture.
Fifty-seventh meeting summary (2019/3/30)
: Was supposed to be about how to solve the
steganography challenge hosted at https://snerx.com/SCP/
since I pulled the
prize money out of the challenge. This was supposed to do work two-fold - explain
crypt and steg methodologies that people are unfamiliar with and showcase problems
with making these kinds of puzzles, as tools break and edits to steps occur in reverse
order (as well as showcases ways to check if the puzzle maker is lying to you or not,
since I was accused of this). But none of the solvers showed up; we had a small
meeting on the test anonymous server instead, learned a lot there through our
Fifty-sixth meeting summary (2019/3/9)
: Big overview lecture about futurist and
transhumanist frameworks with an accelerationist theme. Lecture notes public here
Fifty-fifth meeting summary (2019/1/19)
: Talked about privacy: how security is seated
in privacy and not the other way around, the metaphysical capacities and functions of
privacy, and why there is ethical impetus for privacy at all levels of society.
Fifty-fourth meeting summary (2018/12/2)
: Dope's thesis on time was presented as a
critique on Kant. A lot of other things were discussed. Mostly just having fun.
Fifty-third meeting summary (2018/11/18)
: WVD gave a three-hour lecture prompted by
about using scissor
statements to implode communities and fractionalize a group of people until the group
and its sequela values dissapear entirely. This incorporated all kinds of neat stuff
about the metaphysics of time and government advances of technology. Then we had a
five hour discussion trying to figure out Rick's dick size. He was very beligerant and
did not believe in the spirit of comedy so he left the server in a fit of rage.
Fifty-second meeting summary (2018/10/6)
: First real meeting in a while, talked about
what will replace the world reserve currency when the Dollar collapses (link
The lecture given went through the narrative arc of denying the existence of
'late-capitalism', with it being supplanted by corperatism and suggesting this is
because we are still on the upswing (accelerating economics), rather than the
down-swing. This was furthered with, "Capitalism didn't miss a spot," as context for
the totalizing force of capital - frameworks like communism were formally explicated
as not being meaningfully distinct from capital.
Fifty-first meeting summary (2018/8/25)
: Technical discussion of layer 3 & 4 software
and networking security through distributed systems. Notes made public here
Fiftieth meeting summary (2018/6/23)
: We went over a bunch of smaller points on
disperate social issues designed to invert intuitions; formal proofs were given for
some. The particular points were: waterboarding is not torture, women are far more
visual than men, and the rate of autism and genetic defect have risen proportionately
with the use of cellular devices primarily stored in pockets next to ovaries and
testicles - this isn't to say cellphones cause cancer, but rather that they imbue
genetic degeneracy to progeny in direct proportions.
Forty-ninth meeting summary (2018/6/17)
: WVD gave a lecture and discussion surrounding
the notion of an a priori impossibility. What does it mean for something to be
impossible in principle? Other stuff was discussed for a couple hours after.
Forty-eighth meeting summary (2018/6/4)
: Formal lecture (not ramblings like last time)
about the Economics/Financials of a crypto-government. In particular, we looked at
dynamically scaling currency that is proportionate to the number of citizens.
Potential deleterious effects discussed.
Forty-seventh meeting summary (2018/5/19)
: Brief and loosely oriented lecture
concerning the "English-speaking world" and the Gini coefficient of this world with
relation to the rest of the world. Points about the distribution of American millitary
bases and war-capacities were made in junction with the outsourcing of millitary
functions to America by the very countries America has expanded over.
Forty-sixth meeting summary (2018/5/12)
: No lecture; three-hour circuitous convo about
why conspiracy theorists have better ways to spend their time, then three-hour convo
about The Good.
Forty-fifth meeting summary (2018/4/28)
: We briefly discussed the actuation of the
metaphysician's role as meta-physician that Zizek employed. Then we spent a large
chunk of time discussing the official formal end of the Korean war and how this could
be signaling allies turning against America.
Forty-fourth meeting summary (2018/4/21)
: Redfoot gave a lecture on neuroscience and
the problems of complexity regarding modeling the brain. This extended into problems
with modeling consciousness through AGI. A running theme was, "We have no idea what
the fuck is going on with the brain."
Forty-third meeting summary (2018/4/14)
: Talking about neuroscience and problems with
AGI leading up to the lecture the next week.
Forty-second meeting summary (2018/3/31)
: Lecture recap on the cypherpunks and
crypto-anarchists, this time focused on the effects of encryption-maximization. A
central point was that governments will begin to hyper-regulate but also become
increasingly powerless when it comes to enforcing that regulation.
Forty-first meeting summary (2018/3/25)
: Lecture about the 50-year nuclear countdown
to party at ground zero. We also discussed what this server is and does in more
detail, for all the new people.
Fortieth meeting summary (2018/3/10)
: Brief lecture and discussion predicated on what
Aristotle meant by his first-mover arguments; this developed into perennial problems
with models of time that are either infinite or finite, as both are found to be
impossible in principle.
Thirty-ninth meeting summary (2018/2/18)
: Pat gave a short lecture on Diderot and
then discussion opened up on the views of moralists like Diderot. We later talked
Thirty-eighth meeting summary (2018/2/11)
: Lecture on the history and transformation
of the cypherpunks into the crypto-anarchist movement. Discussion of this with some
direct relations to academia were made. All texts discussed are listed in the #archive
channel. Here's the curated list mentioned in the meeting - link
Thirty-seventh meeting summary (2018/2/4)
: Discussed how psychedelics may actually
make people significantly more closed minded than open, the basics of psychoanalytic
theory, and whether personalities are properly categorized under it, especially given
that they can change, or since all forms of pathology seem to come as concomitants.
Thirty-sixth meeting summary (2018/1/28)
: Talked about the second question (Isn't
philosophy just after a clarification of language?) in the #diogenesis channel and
Pat failed to defend his membership lol.
Thirty-fifth meeting summary (2017/1/22)
: Actrons came in to talk about his two
articles we all read beforehand (linked in #archive). We talked about the capacities
for political voyage in the near future with relation to mass surveilance and FOSS.
Thirty-fourth meeting summary (2017/1/7)
: Members were tricked into thinking there was
required reading about tech ideology just so that when they predictably didn't read it
the real lecture topic about illiteracy could be revealed lol. An argumentative arc
similar to the one in Geneology of Morality was used to show the etymological
inversion of the term "illiterate" from being someone who couldn't read works with
large vocabularies to one who uses large vocabularies to obscure meaning; "literate"
shifted to being able to correctly interpret volumes to being able to give overly
simplistic explanations, e.g., "If you can't say it simply, then you must not really
understand it." The discussion led to how this undermines your capacity to structure
and interpret text in the first place, as a perversion of the capacity for personhood,
and how this was systematic in contemporary academia.
Thirty-third meeting summary (2017/12/31)
: Comparative analysis between Nishida vs.
Zizek regarding metaphilosophical approaches to developing an ontology from an
epistemology. Broader metaphilosophical issues discussed after.
Thirty-second meeting summary (2017/12/10)
: Cryptocurrency true values based on
adoption and technology use were discussed. The bubble of housing-auto-student loans
discussed since their re-emergence after 2009; bail-ins discussed as the means to levy
what bail-outs can't compete with.
Thirty-first meeting summary (2017/11/26)
: Spitballed questions and talking points
about Cody Wilson and the crypto-anarchists; this served as practice for if we get him
Thirtieth meeting summary (2017/10/29)
: Discussed DAPP projects and the philosophical
and technological pinnings of the DNN - link
Twenty-ninth meeting summary (2017/9/24)
: We discussed and debated about submissions
for the New Shape challenge, as well as governmental and economic architectures in
Twenty-eighth meeting summary (2017/8/12)
: We went over papers being written for
journals. We discussed practical limitations to digital simulations for AGI.
Twenty-seventh meeting summary (2017/7/22)
: Quick overview of the three main fields of
academic philosophy and the order in which they are necessarily established; three
hour debate on abortion and ethics + metaphysics regarding personhood and rights.
Twenty-sixth meeting summary (2017/6/25)
: Information dump and debate on OpSec
specific to encrypted networks and OS's, the NSA and CIA's ethics, and the black-hat
fallacy (private vs. public frameworks). We also argued about abortion metaphysics
An entire year had passed at this point.
Twenty-fifth meeting summary (2017/6/11)
: Lecture and discussion on OpSec specific to
encryption/stego, drive nuking, MAC-spoofing, cons of VPN's and proxies, nets like I2P
and TOR, Tails/TENS, and zero-knowledge protocols like shadowcoin's chat.
Twenty-fourth meeting summary (2017/5/21)
: Short lecture on the six properties of
currency (as given by Plato) and how fiat, gold, and crypto compare; talk on
capitalism vs. socialism, the welfare capitalist state we have and potential social
Twenty-third meeting summary (2017/4/23)
: Short lecture on cryptography and
steganography, history and whatnot, but also it's relavence as the most invested human
intellectual labor ever, noting cryptographic networks as money sinks. Black Hat
fallacy discussed and full privitization vs. full publicization discussed as result.
Twenty-second meeting summary (2017/4/9)
: WVD gave a lecture on whether thinking
is reducible to computational states, if the meaning of a sign is determined by
something in the world, and if embodiment can in some way solve the problem of how a
sign acquires its meaning.
Twenty-first meeting summary (2017/3/26)
: Classroom styled lecture again, this time
about why strong AI needs to be embodied, why it's highly likely to be non-friendly,
and what the articlect war is.
Twentieth meeting summary (2017/3/19)
: Kids got intellectual PTSD from the detritus of
asking a single question (about cryonics) that should never reasonably take the four
hours it took us to ultimately not answer it. Sad.
Ninteenth meeting summary (2017/3/5)
: We changed our format and I think it worked a
lot more efficiently. First hour was a classroom-styled lecture and the second hour
was discussion/debate. The lecture was a narrative tying together the history of
quantum theory, multiverse theory, the inclusion of modal realism and infinities into
conrete reality, and the corruption of theoretical physics due to it.
Eighteenth meeting summary (2017/2/19)
: Retouched determinism and opened
pseudo-original questions on the capacities for determination qua infinite recursion
of deterministic knowledge. Only an hour and a half today, short and sweet, but we got
a lot done.
Seventeenth meeting summary (2017/2/12)
: Shorter meeting today, we went over the
distinction between actual & potential infinity and whether certain mathematical
applications were using actual or potential infinities and what the consequences of
Sixteenth meeting summary (2017/2/5)
: Retouched cryonics with a new counter-example to
our previous conclusion about identity of personhood that we all were without a reply
to. We then had a formal debate for four hours about metaphysical principles mostly
regarding determinism but also the intelligibility of the universe, and whether minds
had special properties, how ethical agency worked, and if these things were
cognitivist in nature or not.
Fifteenth meeting summary (2017/1/29)
: We agreed humanism is bad, talked briefly about
Kitaro Nishida, then switched to debate about if language was subjective or objective.
We finished by discussing if there were any legitimate forms of government.
Fourteenth meeting summary (2017/1/15)
: We demo'd the logic converter and went over
problems with it. We talked breifly about 4D space (without time) and thinking in
higher-dimensions, and that quickly became a debate on metaphysics. We then talked for
two hours about pataphysics and non-discrete reality versus discrete reality.
Thirteenth meeting summary (2017/1/8)
: Recapped the embodiment of AI arguments and
virtual divide of sense input for a digital render. We discussed the historical ties
in sci-fi literature and how those influenced the transhumanist movement.
Twelfth meeting summary (2016/12/11)
: We discussed "memory plugins" and the shift of
humans out of specialization. We concluded that memory plugins would remove the need
for specialization but that a general education for the advancement of /skill in
thought/ also known as critical reasoning would be required, and further that memory
plugins may also count as a loss of person should they be unplugged.
Eleventh meeting summary (2016/11/28)
: We briefly talked (and were interrupted a lot
by Sterling) about the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and constructed languages meant to
counter it like Lojban or Interlingua, concluding that the hypothesis was flat out
wrong, and that it was backwards- that capacities for thought puts a limit on
language, not the other way around.
Tenth meeting summary (2016/11/20)
: We talked about the papers we are writing as a
Table Society, namely about AI Bio Sim and Pataphysics. We also talked at length,
about three or four hours, about Cryonics and many many many cases and issues with
metaphysical identity of personhood, interelating the two by asking the initial
question of whether or not the person that is cryogenically frozen is the same person
as the person that emerges from the other side of the refrigerator. Some heavy
refences to cases in the book by the guy that formalized the field were used (book
linked in #archive channel).
Ninth meeting summary (2016/10/16)
: We concluded that individuality isn't lost on any
scale of collective consciousness, granting that it still may be a terrible existence.
"Hive minds" could lose individuality and therefore could 'kill' the people that enter
it. We also talked about the ontological conditions of formal logic.
Eighth meeting summary (2016/9/10)
: We talked about metaphysics and Frog Twitter.
Seventh meeting summary (2016/8/13)
: We talked about pros and cons of quant. A pro was
that it offered an objective basis to spatial relations rather than a relativistic
one, but the cons were that it destroyed the rest of metaphysics lol. This thread in
particular was discussed (link
We also talked about how gravity isn't actually an attraction force, or a fundemental
force at all, but is really a warping of space.
Sixth meeting summary (2016/8/6)
: Living without other people is ruled to be
Fifth meeting summary (2016/7/23)
: Talked about how transexualism is principally
impossible but trans-specism isn't and editing the germline would allow for that, a
progeny without genetic defect. When presented with issues of posterity, it would be
wrong to actively choose to enforce suffering on them, so to alleviate the suffering
is to be in the right, which is why eugenics has ethical imperative behind it. Also we
talked a lot about metaphysics and identity.
Fourth meeting summary (2016/7/16)
: Probation meeting.
Third meeting summary (2016/7/9)
: All agreed existentialism is social cancer, the nazi
science programs should have been allowed to continue, and transhumanism will mark
the start of meaningful history not the end of meaning from subjects.
Second meeting summary (2016/7/2)
: We got much deeper into what higher intelligence
really is and whether or not there's a hard or soft divide between machine
intelligence and our intelligence, whether creativity is required for personhood,
etcetera. For the next meeting we'll tie up some of the loose ends and hopefully move
onto genetics and what human engineering would mean.
First meeting summary (2016/6/25)
: Added some rules based on the discussion in the
first meeting, you can see them here - https://snerx.com/diogenesis